Wednesday, September 13, 2023

The Amherst Student: Staying on Course by John Joire and Maggie Sher. .pdf, online.
Black Crossword: Mini by Juliana Pache. .pdf, online.
Club 72: Freestyle 843 by Tim Croce. .puz, .pdf.
The Columbia Spectator: Daily Mini: 9/13/23 by Molly Durawa. .puz, .pdf, online.
Crosshare Community: Daily Mini and Featured Puzzles.
Fordham Observer: Wednesday, September 13 (Mini) by Abby Grunzinger. .pdf, online.
Jack Of All Squares: Static Signal by Lyle Broughton. .pdf, online.
Luckystreak Xwords: contain your excitement (themed) by ada nicolle. .puz, .pdf, online.
LuterCross: Much Ado by Matthew Luter. .pdf, .puz, online.
MEOW: I’ll Have What She’s Halving (Meta) by whimsy. .puz, .pdf, online.
Olio Grids: Yes, You Finally Made a Monkey Out of Me! by Brian Callahan. .pdf, online.
The Rice Thresher: No You! by Hoang Nguyen. .puz, .pdf, online.
Roy Johnson’s Crossword Hub: Alphabet Midi #1 by Roy Johnson. .puz, online.
Ubercross: S by T Campbell. .pdf.
YourPuzzleSource: Daily Puzzle (Midi) by Phil Fraas. .pdf, online.

A-to-Z Crosswords: ($) Puzzle #80 by Peter Gordon & Frank Longo. Subscribe at link.
Autostraddle: Mini Crossword – September 13, 2023 by Rachel Fabi. .pdf, online.
AVCX: ($) AV Classic Themeless #71 by Evan Mulvihill and Ryan McCarty. Subscribe at link.
Crossword Club: Daily Crossword: September 13, 2023 by Ada Nicolle. .pdf, online.

The Atlantic Mini: by Paolo Pasco. .pdf, online.
Crosswords with Friends: Wayback Wednesday by Lynn Lempel. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Midi Puzzle by Todd McClary. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Mini Puzzle by Doug Peterson. App Store | Google Play
Daily Beast: Take My Money, Weds. Sept. 13, 2023 by Matt Gaffney. .pdf, online.
Daily POP Crosswords: by Mark McClain. App Store | Google Play, online.
Los Angeles Times: by Max Schlenker. Online, pdf. Free Cruciverb account for .puz.
Los Angeles Times Mini: by Elizabeth Gorski. Online.
McKinsey: Fashion Consultants by Peter Gordon. .pdf, online.
The Modern Crossword: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 by Amanda Rafkin. Online, .pdf.
New York Sun: ($) Anybody Home? by Todd McClary. Reissues from 2004.
New York Times: ($) by Guilherme Gilioli. Online, .pdf, app.
New York Times Mini: by Joel Fagliano. Online, app.
The New Yorker: The Crossword: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 by Aimee Lucido. .pdf, online.
Newsday: On the Outside by Fred Piscop. Online, .pdf, backup online.
PlayFour: Daily Puzzle. Online
The Telegraph: Cross Atlantic by John Halpern. Online.
Universal: Hang-Ups by David Karp. Online, pdf. .puz.
USA Today: Peace Out by Jess Shulman & Amanda Rafkin. Online, .pdf, app.
Vox: by Adesina O. Koiki. .pdf, online.
Vulture 10×10: The Catholic Puzzle by Malaika Handa. .pdf, online.
The Wall Street Journal: Bingeworthy by Alan Arbesfeld. Online, .pdf. .puz.
Washington Post Daily Mini Meta: by Frank Longo. Online, .pdf.

Ben’s Cryptic Crosswords: Sep 11 Loss by Ben Robinson Online.
Squared Away: Daily Puzzle. Online.

Financial Times: FT Crossword: Number 17,521 by IO. .pdf.
The Globe and Mail: The Daily Cryptic Crossword. .pdf, online.
The Guardian: Cryptic crossword No 29,174 by Picaroon. .pdf, online.
The Hindu Cryptic: 13969 by Afterdark. .pdf, online.
The Independent: Cryptic Crossword by Filbert. .pdf, online.

Other American-style crosswords:

Reviews and Discussion at Diary of a Crossword Fiend | Boatload Puzzles/AARP | Crosshare | CrosswordsBackwards | Cruciverbalista (en español) | Dictionaries6 | Easy Crossword | FreeDailyCrosswords | GameLab | Hard Crossword | r/crossword | Squares.io | YourPuzzleSource | XWord-Muggles Meta Calendar

Other Cryptic/Variety crosswords:

A Frame Games | cf.kmbweb.de Links Library | Harper’s ($) | Lovatts | Magpie ($) | Mokelfish Links Library | MyCrossword | NPL | Panda Magazine ($) | Private Eye | PuzzleCrypt archives | Puzzling StackExchange | r/crosswords | Split Decisions | Sydney Morning Herald ($) | The Telegraph | The Times (UK) ($), includes The Listener

Friday, July 7, 2023

BEQ: Purple Drank by Brendan Emmett Quigley. .puz, .pdf, online.
Black Crossword: Mini by Juliana Pache. .pdf, online.
Crosshare Community: Daily Mini and Featured Puzzles.
Fordham Observer: Friday, July 7 (Mini) by Quincy Reyes. .pdf, online.
Norah’s Puzzles: Take a Little Off the Top by Norah Sharpe and Friends. .puz, online.
Olio Grids: F*ckin’ Magnets, How Do They Work? by Brian Callahan. .pdf, online.
YourPuzzleSource: Daily Puzzle (Midi) by Phil Fraas. .pdf, online.

A-to-Z Crosswords: ($) Puzzle #12 by Peter Gordon & Frank Longo. Subscribe at link.
Crossword Club: Daily Crossword: July 7, 2023 by Kelsey Dixon. .pdf, online.
Inkubator: ($) Signature Dishes by Max Schlenker. Subscribe at link.

The Atlantic Mini: by Paolo Pasco. .pdf, online.
Boston Magazine: by Brendan Emmett Quigley. .pdf, online.
Crosswords with Friends: Sports Fan Friday by Jeff Chen. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Midi Puzzle by Stella Zawistowski. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Mini Puzzle by Caitlin Reid. App Store | Google Play
Daily POP Crosswords: by Beth Rubin. App Store | Google Play, online.
Los Angeles Times: by Hanh Huynh. Online, pdf. Free Cruciverb account for .puz.
Los Angeles Times Mini: by Elizabeth Gorski. Online.
The Modern Crossword: by Ada Nicolle. Online, .pdf.
New York Sun: ($) Radical Chic by Jonathan Gersch. Reissues from 2004.
New York Times: ($) by Adrian Johnson. Online, .pdf, app.
New York Times Mini: by Joel Fagliano. Online, app.
The New Yorker: The Crossword: Friday, July 7, 2023 by Will Nediger. .pdf, online.
Newsday: Speed-Up Suggestion by Stan Newman. Online, .pdf, backup online.
PlayFour: Daily Puzzle. Online
The Telegraph: Cross Atlantic by John Henderson. Online.
Universal: Utter Nonsense by Paul Coulter. Online, pdf. .puz.
USA Today: Sapphic Joy (Freestyle) by Amanda Rafkin. Online, .pdf, app.
Vox: by Andrew J. Ries. .pdf, online.
Vulture 10×10: The Reflection Puzzle by Malaika Handa. .pdf, online.
The Wall Street Journal: Pop Duos by Mike Shenk. Online, .pdf. .puz.
Washington Examiner: ($) Wrong Address by Brendan Emmett Quigley. Online.
Washington Post Daily Mini Meta: by Andrew White & Pete Muller. Online, .pdf.

Out Of Left Field: ($) Cryptic #171 by Joshua Kosman & Henri Picciotto. Patreon subscription.
Squared Away: Daily Puzzle. Online.

Financial Times: FT Crossword: Number 17,462 by Aardvark .pdf.
The Globe and Mail: The Daily Cryptic Crossword. .pdf, online.
The Guardian: Cryptic crossword No 29,116 by Paul. .pdf, online.
The Hindu Cryptic: #13911 by Incognito .pdf, online.
The Independent: Cryptic Crossword by Phi. .pdf, online.

Other American-style crosswords:

Reviews and Discussion at Diary of a Crossword Fiend | Boatload Puzzles/AARP | Crosshare | CrosswordsBackwards | Cruciverbalista (en español) | Dictionaries6 | Easy Crossword | FreeDailyCrosswords | GameLab | Hard Crossword | r/crossword | Squares.io | YourPuzzleSource | XWord-Muggles Meta Calendar

Other Cryptic/Variety crosswords:

A Frame Games | cf.kmbweb.de Links Library | Harper’s ($) | Lovatts | Magpie ($) | Mokelfish Links Library | MyCrossword | NPL | Panda Magazine ($) | Private Eye | PuzzleCrypt archives | Puzzling StackExchange | r/crosswords | Split Decisions | Sydney Morning Herald ($) | The Telegraph | The Times (UK) ($), includes The Listener

Thursday, May 4, 2023

Black Crossword: Mini by Juliana Pache. .pdf, online.
The Chicago Maroon: It’s Show Time by Pravan Chakravarthy. .pdf, online.
The Columbia Spectator: Dailt Mini: 5/4/23 by Alicia Zhang. .puz, .pdf, online.
Crosshare Community: Daily Mini and Featured Puzzles.
Fordham Observer: What Time Is It? by Alyssa Macaluso and Kreena Vora. .pdf, online.
Fordham Observer: Thursday, May 4 (Mini) by Abby Grunzinger. .pdf, online.
Jonesin’: “Say That Again?”–echoing that sentiment. by Matt Jones. .puz, .pdf, online.
M & M Crosswords: Baltimore Bird by Martina Waluk. .pdf, online.
YourPuzzleSource: Daily Puzzle (Midi) by Phil Fraas. .pdf, online.

ClassiCanadian Crosswords: ($) What’s for Breakfast? by Barb Olson. Subscribe at link.
Crossword Club: Daily Crossword: May 4, 2023 by Quiara Vasquez. .pdf, online.
Fireball: ($) Game On (Fireball Crosswords) by Lewis Rothlein. Subscribe at link.
Morning Brew: Plant Cycle  by Mary Tobler .pdf, online.
Planet Crossword: Double Cold Fronts by Zhouqin Burnikel. Online.

The Atlantic Mini: by Paolo Pasco. .pdf, online.
The Crosswords Club: ($) Right the Ship by Wendy L. Brandes and May Huang. 

Crosswords with Friends: Top 40 Thursday by Peter Wentz. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Midi Puzzle by Donna S. Levin. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Mini Puzzle by Stan Newman. App Store | Google Play
Daily Beast: Hall Monitor, Thu, May 4, 2023 by Matt Gaffney. .pdf, online.
Daily POP Crosswords: by Pam Amick Klawitter. App Store | Google Play, online.
Los Angeles Times: by Max Schlenker. Online, pdf. Free Cruciverb account for .puz.
Los Angeles Times Mini: by Elizabeth Gorski. Online.
The Modern Crossword: by May Huang. Online, .pdf.
New York Sun: ($) Hissy Fit by Paula Gamache. Reissues from 2004.
New York Times: ($) by David J. Kahn. Online, .pdf, app.
New York Times Mini: by Joel Fagliano. Online, app.
The New Yorker: The Crossword: Thursday, May 4, 2023 by Robyn Weintraub. .pdf, online.
Newsday: Things to Draw by Winston Emmons. Online, .pdf, backup online.
PlayFour: Daily Puzzle. Online.
The Telegraph: Cross Atlantic by Steve Bartlett. Online.
Universal: End on a High Note by Rose Sloan and Shannon Rapp. Online, pdf. .puz.
USA Today: 4 Bc by Matthew Stock & May Huang. Online, .pdf, app.
Vox: by Will Nediger. .pdf, online.
Vulture 10×10: The Corny Puzzle by Stella Zawistowski. .pdf, online.
The Wall Street Journal: Letter Rip! by Mike Shenk. Online, .pdf. .puz.
Washington Post Daily Mini Meta: by Andrew White & Pete Muller. Online, .pdf.

A Cleverly-Titled Logic Puzzle Blog: Wordy Wednesday 537: Route-Numbered by Grant Fikes .pdf
Squared Away: Daily Puzzle. Online.
Tales From The Cryptic: Cryptic Mini #000000030:
“Salsa-dancing Acrobat” 7×7
by Bob Weisz. .pdf, online.

Financial Times: FT Crossword: Number 17,405 by Goliath. .pdf.
The Globe and Mail: The Daily Cryptic Crossword. .pdf, online.
The Guardian: Cryptic crossword No 29,061 by Vlad. .pdf, online.
The Hindu Cryptic: #13856 by Arden. .pdf, online.
The Independent: Cryptic Crossword by Filbert. .pdf, online.
The Spectator: ($) #2603  by Cheesecracker. Subscribe at link.

Other American-style crosswords:

Reviews and Discussion at Diary of a Crossword Fiend | Boatload Puzzles/AARP | Crosshare | CrosswordsBackwards | Cruciverbalista (en español) | Dictionaries6 | Easy Crossword | FreeDailyCrosswords | GameLab | Hard Crossword | r/crossword | Squares.io | YourPuzzleSource | XWord-Muggles Meta Calendar

Other Cryptic/Variety crosswords:

A Frame Games | cf.kmbweb.de Links Library | Harper’s ($) | Lovatts | Magpie ($) | Mokelfish Links Library | MyCrossword | NPL | Panda Magazine ($) | Private Eye | PuzzleCrypt archives | Puzzling StackExchange | r/crosswords | Split Decisions | Sydney Morning Herald ($) | The Telegraph | The Times (UK) ($), includes The Listener

Friday, January 13, 2023

BEQ: Two Days by Brendan Emmett Quigley. .puz, .pdf, online.
Crosshare Community: Daily Mini and Featured Puzzles.
Half-Baked Puzzles: A PUZZLE FOR @TlMBERWOLVES by Paolo Pasco. .puz, .pdf, online.
Just Gridding: “Is it worth it? Let me work it.” by claire l. rimkus. .puz, .pdf, online.
Olio Grids: Oh Yeah! by Brian Callahan. .pdf, online.
YourPuzzleSource: Daily Puzzle (Midi) by Phil Fraas. .pdf, online.

Autostraddle: Autostraddle Mini — January 13, 2023 by Rachel Fabi. .pdf, online.
AVCX+: ($) “Let Me Finish” (themeless) by Ryan McCarty and Brooke Husic. Subscribe at link.
Crossword Club: Daily Crossword: January 13, 2023 by Kelsey Dixon. .pdf, online.
Crucinova: ($) Getting In Shape by Paul Coulter. Subscribe at link.
Inkubator: ($) The Right Outfit by Max Schlenker and Sara Cantor. Subscribe at link.
Planet Crossword: In Case of Emergency by Taylor Johnson. Online.

The Atlantic Mini: by Paolo Pasco. .pdf, online.
Crosswords with Friends: Sports Fan Friday by David Steinberg. App Store | Google Play
Crosswords with Friends: Mini Puzzle by Zhouqin Burnikel. App Store | Google Play
Daily POP Crosswords: by Robin Stears. App Store | Google Playonline.
Los Angeles Times: by Tom Locke. Online, pdf. Free Cruciverb account for .puz.
Los Angeles Times Mini: by Elizabeth Gorski. Online.
The Modern Crossword: Friday, January 13, 2023 by Amanda Rafkin. Online, .pdf.
New York Sun: ($)Monday is Washday by Harvey Estes. Reissues from 2003.
New York Times: ($) by Brad Wiegmann. Online, .pdf, app.
New York Times Mini: by Joel Fagliano. Online, app.
The New Yorker: The Crossword: Friday, January 13, 2023 by Lynn Lempel. .pdf, online.
Newsday: Clashin’ Fashion by Kevin Christian. Online, .pdfbackup online.
The Telegraph: Cross Atlantic by Jason Crampton. Online.
Universal: There’s a Catch by Charles Deber. Online, pdf. .puz.
USA Today: Let’s Make a Meal! by Nate Cardin. Online, .pdf, app.
Vox: by Andrew J. Ries. .pdf, online.
Vulture 10×10: The Punk Puzzle by Stella Zawistowski. .pdf, online.
The Wall Street Journal: Interior Design by Matt Gaffney. Online, .pdf. .puz.
Washington Examiner: ($?) Untaxed by Brendan Emmett Quigley. Online.
Washington Post Daily Mini Meta: by Andrew White & Pete Muller. Online, .pdf.

Crosswords Schmosswords: ransom where? (acrostic with alex boisvert!) by Kate Chin Park and Alex Boisvert. .puz, .pdf, online.
Liari’s Cryptic Crosswords: Negative Variables by Liari. .pdf, online.
Out Of Left Field: ($) Cryptic #146 by Joshua Kosman & Henri Picciotto. Patreon subscription.

Financial Times: FT Weekend Magazine Crossword Number 622 by Aldhelm. .pdf.
Financial Times: FT Crossword: Number 17,304 by Artexlen. .pdf.
The Globe and Mail: The Daily Cryptic Crossword. .pdf, online.
The Guardian: Cryptic crossword No 28,966 by Harpo. .pdf, online.
The Independent: Cryptic Crossword by Phi. .pdf, online.

Other American-style crosswords:

Reviews and Discussion at Diary of a Crossword Fiend | Boatload Puzzles/AARP | Crosshare | CrosswordsBackwards | Cruciverbalista (en español) | Dictionaries6 | Easy Crossword | FreeDailyCrosswords | GameLab | Hard Crossword | r/crossword | Squares.io | YourPuzzleSource | XWord-Muggles Meta Calendar

Other Cryptic/Variety crosswords:

A Frame Games | cf.kmbweb.de Links Library | Harper’s ($) | Lovatts | Magpie ($) | Mokelfish Links Library | MyCrossword | NPL | Panda Magazine ($) | Private Eye | PuzzleCrypt archives | Puzzling StackExchange | r/crosswords | Split Decisions | Sydney Morning Herald ($) | The Telegraph | The Times (UK) ($), includes The Listener

Crossworld News and Notes, January 2023

Registration for ACPT is open now. We’re excited to see you there March 31-April 2! Also coming up: Boswords Winter Wondersolve, February 5 and St. Louis Crossword Tournament, March 4.


T. Campbell’s annual The Year In Crosswords covers the good, the bad, and the ugly in all of Crossworld in 2022. This long issue is a full who’s who and what’s what, including Wordle and its variants, changes in publications, fundraisers, tournaments, indie projects, software, AI, books and media, and more.

Sam Ezersky was profiled in Virginia Magazine, where he discussed the popularity of Spelling Bee during the pandemic and offers some of his best puzzling tips. The article is accompanied by a free series of short word puzzles inspired by Spelling Bee.

Constructor and magician David Kwong recently appeared on the podcast “Ologies” with host Alie Ward. He discussed Anigrams, AVCX, Diary of a Crossword Fiend, Wordle, cryptics, crosswords and brain health, and much more.


Congratulations to the 2023 Lil AVC X roster: Darby Ratliff, Dob Olino, Eric Mao, Jimmy Peniston, Kelly Nguyen Dickson, Lila Goldenberg, meatdaddy69420, Nancy Serrano-Wu, Nijah Morris, and Pravan Chakravarthy! We are so excited for the puzzles to come from this year’s bunch of up-and-coming constructors.

Congratulations to Nate Cardin, who has joined the editorial team at AVCX Cryptic!

Since the last News & Notes, Gustie Owens (12/4), Anthony J. Caruso (12/12), Julietta Gervase (12/13), John Martz (12/25), Josh Goodman (12/28), Seth Bisen-Hersh (1/2), Laura Breiman (1/4), Tom Bachant (1/4) made their NYT debuts. Congratulations to everyone!


We have been enjoying the latest offering from Puzzle Society: The Modern Crossword. Monday through Friday puzzles are midis of increasing size, Saturdays are themed puzzles by open submission, and Sundays are themeless puzzles by members of the editing team and invited constructors. The themes and content hold up to the puzzle’s moniker: the interface allows for alternate clues if solvers get stuck, and some clues and answers are accompanied by a constructor’s note.

We are also loving the new crosswords from Xtra, a LGBTQ2S+ online magazine. Puzzles are published the first of each month and are constructed by Ada Nicolle, who promises a younger, more inclusive vibe for the Xtra puzzles in this companion article.

The second crossword book from The Browser, “Cryptic Crosswords for Beginners” by Uri Bram & Dan Feyer is available now. They say “we break down these delightful puzzles into simple building blocks and have you solving cryptic grids before you know it!”


Fireball Crosswords begin this week and Fireball Newsflash Crosswords begin January 20, both by Peter Gordon. Subscriptions open now.

Now is also the time to renew your subscription to The Inkubator. A subscription is $30 for 36 puzzles: three puzzles a month all year long. The fifth year will feature creative themes from C.C. Burnikel, Chandi Deitmer, and Rebecca Goldstein; debuts from Max Schlenker and Darby Ratliff; themelesses from Robyn Weintraub and Wyna Liu; and many more.

AVCX and The Inkubator are open for submission. The New York Times has also reopened after a break.

Monday, November 21, 2022

Crosshare Community: Daily Mini and Featured Puzzles.
Crossword Dilemmas: nov 20 2022 by Emma Lawson. .pdf, online.
Jeff’s Puzzles: Herd Mentality by Jeff Linder. .puz, .pdf
Monday Fills: Four Seasons by Dave Murchie. .puz, .pdf, online.

Autostraddle: Autostraddle Mini — November 21, 2022 by Brooke Husic. .pdf, online.
Crossword Club: Daily Crossword: November 21, 2022 by Erica Hsiung Wojcik. .pdf, online.
Lil AVC X: ($) Boy Meets Boy by Abigail Rapp and Shannon Rapp. Subscribe at link.
Planet Crossword: Independent Themeless by Zhouqin Burnikel. Online.

The Atlantic Mini: by Paolo Pasco. .pdf, online.
Crosswords with Friends: by Nate Cardin. App Store | Google Play
Daily Beast: Adele in Vegas, Mon, Nov 21, 2022 by Matt Gaffney. .pdf, online.
Daily POP Crosswords: by Janice Luttrell. App Store | Google Playonline.
Los Angeles Times: by Dan Caprera. Online, pdf. Free Cruciverb account for .puz.
LA Times Mini: by Elizabeth Gorski. Online.
New York Magazine: Pitch Count by Matt Gaffney. .pdf, online.
New York Sun: ($) National League by Jon Delfin. Reissues from 2003.
New York Times: ($) by Brandon Koppy. Online, .pdf, app.
New York Times Mini: by Christina Iverson. Online, app.
The New Yorker: The Crossword by Anna Shechtman. .pdf, online.
Newsday: Going Nowhere by Doug Peterson. Online, .pdfbackup online.
The Telegraph: Cross Atlantic No. 1 by Steve Bartlett. Online.
Universal: Baloney Sandwich by Max Schlenker. Online, pdf. .puz.
*USA Today: QB3 by Nate Cardin. Online, .pdf, app.
*Note, the USA Today app and website have not been loading the newest puzzle. In the meantime the puzzle is only available through The Puzzle Society, subscription required.
Vox: by Patrick Blindauer. .pdf, online.
The Wall Street Journal: Zero Waste by Daniel & Morgan Bodily. Online, .pdf. .puz.
Washington Post Daily Mini Meta: by Andrew White & Pete Muller. Online, .pdf.

Redhead64: Anagram Chambers 10 .pdf.
Steve’s Cryptic Crosswords: Puzzle 295 by Steve Townsend. Online.

Financial Times: FT Crossword: Number 17,257 by Steerpike. .pdf.
The Globe and Mail: The Daily Cryptic Crossword. .pdf, online.
The Guardian: Cryptic crossword No 28,920 by Vulcan. .pdf, online.
The Independent: Cryptic Crossword by Filbert. .pdf, online.

Other American-style crosswords:

Reviews and Discussion at Diary of a Crossword Fiend | Boatload Puzzles/AARP | Crosshare | CrosswordsBackwards | Cruciverbalista (en español) | Dictionaries6 | Easy Crossword | FreeDailyCrosswords | GameLab | Hard Crossword | r/crossword | Squares.io | YourPuzzleSource | XWord-Muggles Meta Calendar

Other Cryptic/Variety crosswords:

A Frame Games | cf.kmbweb.de Links Library | Harper’s ($) | Lovatts | Magpie ($) | Mokelfish Links Library | MyCrossword | NPL | Panda Magazine ($) | Private Eye | PuzzleCrypt archives | Puzzling StackExchange | r/crosswords | Split Decisions | Sydney Morning Herald ($) | The Telegraph | The Times (UK) ($), includes The Listener